tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36357868.post9044725480216690387..comments2023-05-18T06:55:27.293-04:00Comments on TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS PROPERS IN ENGLISH: The Moynihan Report Letter #8: 7th Anniversary of Benedict's Election/Lefebvre, the Council, the Mass...Deacon Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17122314555763113859noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36357868.post-75459773725194165062012-04-25T10:26:56.069-04:002012-04-25T10:26:56.069-04:00Tuesday, April 24, 2012
Rome’s Msgr. Fernando Ocar...Tuesday, April 24, 2012<br />Rome’s Msgr. Fernando Ocariz and the SSPX’s Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize assumed Lumen Gentium 16 refers to a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so to the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism etc <br />Even theologian John Lamont who teaches theology in Sydney with the archdiocese approval did not notice it.(1)<br /> <br />Msgr. Fernando Ocariz an Opus Dei theologian and Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize an SSPX seminary professor of ecclesiology at Econe did not notice a key point in Vatican Council II. They just assumed that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so does Pope Pius XII.<br /> <br />Based on their interchange and failed conclusion the theologian John Lamont has written an account but also assuming the irrational, that is, we can actually know people in Heaven and somehow they are exceptions to the dogma which says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Knowing people saved in invincible ignorance and other cases in Heaven it was assumed by Gleize, Ocariz and Lamont meant there is no more exclusive salvation in the Church. There are known exceptions (LG 16) etc.<br /><br /><br />Even the ecclesiology professor at Econe like his counterparts at the Angelicum and Gregorian University in Rome holds the liberal version of the Council and that too based on an irrationality.-Lionel Andrades<br /> <br />1.<br />Is recognizing the SSPX questioning the Council?<br />http://www.sspx.org/theological_commission/is_recognizing_sspx_questioning_the_council_4-19-2012.htm<br />____________________________________________________________________<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />PREFECT OF THE SUPREME TRIBUNAL: CAN THERE BE AN ‘ECCLESIAL RUPTURE’ FOR NOT AFFIRMING ‘ A VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE’ AND A LIBERAL, IRRATIONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CATECHISM AND VATICAN COUNCIL II ?<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/prefect-of-supreme-tribunal-can-there.html#links<br /> <br />ECCLESIA DEI’S ADVICE TO THE INSTITUTE OF THE GOOD SHEPHERD IS SCARY <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/ecclesia-deis-advice-to-institute-of.html<br /><br /><br />SSPX -DICI SAYS ECCLESIA DEI HAS ASKED THE INSTITUTE OF THE GOOD SHEPHARD TO FOLLOW THE CATECHISM <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/sspx-dici-says-ecclesia-dei-has-asked.html<br /><br /><br />DOMINICAN, FRANCISCAN FRIARS OF THE IMMACULATE AND DIOCESAN PRIESTS NEGATE POPE BENEDICT’S OVERSIGHT AND THAT OF THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/dominican-franciscan-friars-of.html<br /><br /><br />Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Bishop Charles Morerod O.P Oath of Fidelity: to dissent <br />Profession of Faith allows for dissent on ecclesiology and baptism <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-bishop-charles.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36357868.post-13267242359015159882012-04-25T10:24:53.745-04:002012-04-25T10:24:53.745-04:00Wednesday, April 25, 2012
CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME...Wednesday, April 25, 2012<br />CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME WHO OFFER THE NOVUS ORDO MASS IN ITALIAN UNKNOWINGLY SUPPORT THE SSPX POSITION ON OTHER RELIGIONS: THEY CONFIRM THAT THERE IS NO CASE KNOWN OF BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (LG 16)IN THE PRESENT TIME <br />So if the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumes that the baptism of desire contradicted the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus they made a mistake.<br /><br /><br />The participants in the Vatican-SSPX talks also did not realize that there are no explicit exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II, to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.<br /><br />Catholic priests in Rome to whom I spoke to, say that there is no known case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.Some say quite plainly that the baptism of desire etc do not contradict the literal intepretation of the dogma. Others do not want to comment further.<br /><br />They know that we have returned to the centuries old intepretation of the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and this is essentially the positon of the Society of St.Pius X on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue.<br /><br /><br />It means Vatican Council II (AG 7) says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation-just as the SSPX teaches,and there are no known exceptions, this includes invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16).<br /><br /><br />So the priests are really saying, but do not want to put it into words, that Vatican Council II holds to the traditional teaching on Hindus,Jews, Buddhists,Muslims etc.<br /><br /><br />While priests who offer Mass in Italian here admit there is no visible baptism of desire there is no such comment from SSPX theologians.The SSPX bishops still believe that Vatican Council II contradicts the traditional teaching on ecumenism and other religions.Since, the bishops assume, there is a visible baptism of desire.<br /><br /><br />The Novus Ordo-priests are pointing to the traditional teaching in Vatican Council II.<br />-Lionel AndradesCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36357868.post-47509642757117114932012-04-25T10:23:49.109-04:002012-04-25T10:23:49.109-04:00Wednesday, April 25, 2012
PROFESSORS AT THE LEGION...Wednesday, April 25, 2012<br />PROFESSORS AT THE LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST UNIVERSITIES IN ROME SUPPORT THE SSPX POSITION ON OTHER RELIGIONS <br />Fr.Rafael Pascual L.C, Dean of Philosophy at the University Pontificial Regina Apostolorum(UPRA) and Mr. Corrada Gnerre a Professor of Philophical Anthropology at the Universita Europa di Roma affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.<br /><br />They also know that we do not know any case of a non Catholic saved who can be an exception to the defined dogma. The text of the dogma also does not mention invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire since they know at that possibilities were not defacto exceptions to the dogma which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation.<br /><br />The dogma is in agreement with Vatican Council II(AG 7) and LG 16 is not an exception as is often claimed.<br /><br />So Vatican Council II is in agreement with the traditional teaching of the church on ecumenism and other religions which has also been that of the traditionalists Society of St.Pius X, Institute of the Good Shepherd and the Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP).-Lionel Andrades<br /><br /><br />LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html<br /><br /><br />CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/10/catholic-lay-professor-at-universita.html#links<br /><br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/professors-at-legionaries-of-christ.html#linksCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.com